And the people on whose behalf I defied this proved him right by coming out exactly like he said they would.
"In passing from play to the seriousness of learning, the child becomes a boy. At this stage children begin to be curious, especially for stories; what interests them in these is ideas which do not come to them in an immediate manner. But here the main thing is the awakening feeling in them that as yet they are not what they ought to be, and the active desire to become like the adults in whose surroundings they are living. It is this desire which gives rise to the imitativeness of children. Whereas the feeling of immediate unity with the parents is the spiritual mother's milk on which children thrive, it is the children's own need to grow up which acts as the stimulus to that growth. This striving after education on the part of children themselves is the immanent factor in all education. But since the boy is still at the stage of immediacy, the higher to which he is to raise himself appears to him, not in the form of universality or of the matter at hand, but in the shape of something given, of an individual, an authority. It is this or that man who forms the ideal which the boy strives to know and to imitate; only in this concrete manner does the child at this stage perceive his own essential nature. What the child is to learn must therefore be given to him on and with authority; he has the feeling that what is thus given to him is superior to him. This feeling must be carefully fostered in education. For this reason we must describe as completely preposterous the pedagogy which bases itself on play, which proposes that children should be made acquainted with serious things in the form of play and demands that the educator should lower himself to the childish level of intelligence of the pupils instead of lifting them up to an appreciation of the seriousness of the matter in hand. This education by playing at lessons can result in the boy throughout his whole life treating everything disdainfully. Such a regrettable result can also be produced by perpetually stimulating children to indulge in argument and disputation, a method recommended by unintelligent pedagogues; this can easily make children impertinent. Children must, or course, be roused to think for themselves; but the worth of the matter in hand should not be put at the mercy of their immature, vain understanding.
With regard to one side of education, namely, discipline, the boy should not be allowed to follow his own inclination; he must obey in order that he may learn to command. Obedience is the beginning of all wisdom; for the will which as yet does not know what is true and objective, does not make this its goal and therefore far from being truly self-dependent and free is still immature; such a will is enabled through obedience inwardly to accept the authority of the rational will coming to it externally and gradually to make this its own. On the other hand, to allow children to do as they please, to be so foolish as to provide them into the bargain with reasons for their whims, is to fall into the worst of all educational practices; such children develop the deplorable habit of fixing their attention on their own inclinations, their own peculiar cleverness, their own selfish interests, and this is the root of all evil."
The worth of the matter at hand should not be put at the mercy of their vanity...
Yep, that's been the issue this whole time. Right through all the teaching innovations I was always coming up with, that seem to contradict what he's saying here, I always end up tangling with them over their inability to feel worth. I've tried to get across the worth of everything so that they'll pursue everything based on its worth, instead of because some authority person said so. That includes 'worth' not being just because people say so, and will pay you. But they can't hear that, no matter how clearly spelled out and put directly, literally, in their hand, as long as worth to them is what satisfies their desires. And nothing he's saying here solves that problem, so what he will solve in the meantime is not letting things of worth be disdained by little kids.
It's like from age 10 I'd found that rebelling is what creates the things worth rebelling against. Not understanding things is what makes them seem not worth understanding. Treating things as a task imposed is what makes them 'hard'. Creating and discovering aren't something someone else wants you to do, so that watching TV and hanging out are 'me' time. Rather, nothing can be more 'me' than creating and discovering, and less 'me' than watching TV and hanging out (and, very important, rather than eliminating TV and hanging out, this basic spirit takes on TV-watching and hanging-out versions). And, no, that's not just me. Watching TV and hanging out creates the person who wants to watch TV and hang out.
And while everybody--and I do mean everybody--put me over away from them as some different kind of creature, I tried to tell them how that wasn't true. All I was doing was not defeating myself.
And I still think that's true.
What do you do if no amount of proving that makes a difference?
And something else I caught on to really early is that just telling people fed the problem, as long as the telling was 'me facing them'. I would try everything I could to 'face the same way'--give examples, tell stories, use their own words, their own experiences. (Strange, I never did the ultimate facing-the-same-way: posing intriguing, fertile questions. Oh yeah, that's because nobody would ever follow up on anything, and later on, as a teacher, I couldn't walk away because I needed the money.)
But looking at the explanation he gives...Immediacy makes the universal appear as an individual. So there's a paradox: By trying to put people in immediate contact with the spirit of things, it made that spirit appear as an individual, whether me, or God, or even they themselves (the problem of people becoming all about personal growth). But, damn it, the alternative is for them to relate to it in a mediated way--awful, external, superficial, default descriptions of what I'm doing--that make it into something impossible and undesirable to do.
The answer is in the nature of immediacy and mediateness, that they're not separate. Hegel's answer here is to start it off mediated and let it 'gradually' become immediate. That's why he's stressing that the principle of education is that everyone knows they're not what they ought to be, and strives from their own inner dialectic ("Spirit never lets in anything alien, but breaks it off"). But there is also the possibility of an obedient self-insistence: "I will never ever fail to honor anything worth honoring, and with that said, I will honor it by getting myself to see how it's worth honoring." The first way gives you people that seem to always be just outside the heart of things, and the second gives you people that seem to always be just outside the body. For the world's immediate needs, it should choose the first, and for it's long-term (mediate) needs, it should choose the second. Hmm...someone's being immediate, so the universal appears to them as mediated, leading to an immediate mediated-immediate...(exercise: fill in second)...(Then there's long-term immediate needs, like building drainage or communications networks, like Euler did.)
Lauren brought this Hegel passage to me right as we entered our current phase. And, whatever may have been the right way to deal with me as a kid, there's no question this is authoritative, on file, United States Geological Survey topo for how to set it up for them.
Well, I guess all along there's needed to be two messages, right? "This is what's possible if you don't defeat yourself" and "This is what happens to you if you do." Becoming aware of the height of heretofor unimagined possibilities necessarily implies becoming aware of the depth of heretofor unimagined self-handicapping. I'm wanting to talk people out of, for example, ever engaging in conversation that's disposable. Showing what's possible if you adopt that standard, that what's possible is what they want, not to blab on for nothing, is one way of doing that, but it kind of necessarily implies the opposite, right? I don't know how I thought I could keep out the 'tails' side of that coin, that if you think it's just the way life is to have whole hours go by in no way memorable to anybody, then you're shut out of everything that really matters.